Essay/Term paper: The accounts of eros in the "symposium"

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The Accounts of Eros in the "Symposium"


The word love carries with it many, many different interpretations. In modern
day, our views on what is appropriate love is much different from the views from
the time of Socrates and Plato. To them love was eros, a direct translation of
the word love.

However, the word itself wasn't the only thing that was different about love. In
Plato's "Symposium", there is a celebration for Agathon. He had just won a
dramatic contest in Athens, Greece two nights ago. It is customary to drink much
wine at these gatherings, however, every one present is too weak from the night
before. (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. xiii) So a proposition is made, by Phaedrus, to
properly give praise to the god Eros, and speak on the topic of love. It was
their opinion that no poet has yet been able to properly do so. (Nehamas &
Woodruff, pg. 7) There were a total of seven accounts given in praise of eros,
by seven different people who are present at the party. Of these accounts, the
one that made the most sense was the speech of Socrates when he quotes Diotima.
This account is practical, and shows love not as a heavenly creature, but as a
mortal being, where we can interact with him. It also has answers that most of
the other accounts could not even question. This is what stands the speechof
Socrates and Diotima apart from most of the others. But, there were two other
speeches that were also impressive and brought about points that Socrates did
not make. These accounts were given by Aristophanes and Agathon. Through these
three speeches, we can get a good picture of what eros is. Starting with the
most complete account: Socrates and Diotima; and moving through Aristophanes and
then Agathon, this paper will show why these accounts are superior, and why
Socrates' makes the most sense.

After Agathon's speech, it was Socrates' turn to present his account of eros.
But before he does, he tells Agathon that his speech was marvelous and that at
one time, Socrates also believed in what Agathon believed. That was until a
women named Diotima taught him the real truth in eros. It is however, believed,
that Socrates made up the character of Diotima, the reason, though, is unknown.
In spite of this, Socrates gives a remarkable speech that is truly complete. One
of the first misconceptions among all the speakers was the age of the god Love.
Many believed him to the oldest of the gods, thus making him ancient. Diotima
knows this is not true. She speaks of the way Love was conceived, a clever
scheme by a god to escape her misfortunes. It seems the goddess of poverty,
Penia laid down beside Poros and became pregnant with Love (Nehamas & Woodruff,
pg.48) This makes Love unique. Love is good, though, because he is a lover of
wisdom, that is, he pursues the notion of philosophy. But, he is in between
wisdom and ignorance (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 49), according to Diotima, which
is much different an account from the other speakers. Phaedrus had placed Love
at the top of all gods, describing ways in which Love "breathes might into some
of the heroes," (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 10). This is untrue. However, Diotima
speaks of ways in which love helps human beings. This happens when the love for
things like sports or poetry helps a person create something from nothing. Love
is a word used to describe the whole, where there are special parts of love used
to describe specific passions and possessions. (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 51). And
love is wanting to posses the good forever (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 52) Finally
we see the main points in Diotima's argument when she accurately describes the
real purpose of love. It is almost like a natural instinct. All animals,
including humans, have a need to reproduce. The real purpose in love is giving
birth in beauty, whether in body or soul (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg.53). This means
that the pregnant person causes the baby, or new born idea if the birth resulted
from the soul, to be beautiful because all new borns are beautiful and this is
as close as a mortal may get to immortality. By producing offspring, the human
being continues life forever. By this, we see what it is that love wants as well.
And that is reproduction and birth in beauty (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 53) to
continue the love, and retain possessions that have been acquired through the
good.

Diotima had briefly referred to aspects in her story that closely resembled the
account of Aristophanes. Aristophanes also gave a vivid account that had brought
up arguments that were very interesting. They were somewhat different from
Diotima's, but nonetheless, they were good.

Aristophanes believed in human nature. No one else had spoke of this. To
Aristophanes, there were three kinds of human beings. To the others, there were
only two kinds (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 25) Aristophanes described the way
humans were. They were completely round, spherical, had four hands and four legs,
two faces and two sets of reproductive organs. The three kinds were male and
male; female and female; and a special kind of mix of male and female (Nehamas &
Woodruff, pg. 25) These being presumable were too out of control. The gods
needed to contain them in order to be served by them. So Zeus had split each
human into two halves, making two distinct people (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 26)
Now, each person had a feeling that they were incomplete. They longed for their
other half. This is their source, and now ours, for desire to love. They spent
their lives searching for that other person to complete the circle. Hence, love
is born into every human being to go find their other half, this is our nature
(Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 27). This idea helps Aristophanes describe the
male/female love, because to him, it is of the lowest type of love. But for
modern society, it helps describe the male/male and female/female love. This
idea makes sense to the members of the party. It truly explains why men would
love women, and not just keep them to procreate. When the two halves find each
other, it is said that something miraculous happens. They fall in love, and
never wish to be separated again. It is almost like they become a single person
again. Those men that were split from another man, according to Aristophanes,
are the most manly in their nature (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 27). He says that he
can prove it because those are the boys that are politicians (Nehamas & Woodruff,
pg. 28) However, this part of Aristophanes argument has no real proff behind it.
There is no way of measuring human nature, and so, there is no way of telling
which type of human being each boy descended from, whether it be a male to male
relationship, or a male to female relationship. This problem in Aristophanes
argument brings about another oversight. He claims these men have no interest
in marriage and reproduction (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 28) This however, would go
against what is good. It is good to produce offspring, we see this in Diotima's
account, but for Aristophanes, this does not seem to be a case of good or bad.
Aristophanes definition of Love is that it is the name we give for our pursuit
of wholeness with our other halves. It is our desire to be complete (Nehamas &
Woodruff, pg. 29). This is a very accurate statement, in light of what
Aristophanes is arguing for. This is very much different, however, then the
characteristics Agathon gives to Love. Agathon does not think that there is a
single idea for love, but that it encompasses many related characteristics.

As Agathon first speaks, he wishes to celebrate the gods, not congratulate
mankind as his predecessors have done (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 32) Agathon
states that Love, is the youngest of all the gods. To defend this, he claims
that Love is always within young people and is one of them. Therefore, he stays
young forever. The proof here is that the violent deeds done in the past were
before Love was created, and taken his throne of king of the gods (Nehamas &
Woodruff, pg. 33). Love's character was noble and moral. He contained four
virtuous characteristics: justice, moderation, bravery and wisdom (Nehamas &
Woodruff, pg. 34). In justice, Love could not be harmed by violence, and this
was further proof of his age and his position as king of the gods. Love was
moderate in that he took power over pleasure. By this, Love had power over
pleasure, because the greatest of all pleasure was love (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg.
35). In other words, Love was a fitting king, according to Agathon. In bravery,
Love had a hold on everyone, gods and humans alike. Bravery is related to power,
and with this hold, Love is the bravest (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 35). Of all
four characteristics, the one that shows proof of Love's goodness towards humans.
In wisdom, one can teach another, whatever the task may be. Love gives this
wisdom, for it is a love for something that allows us to learn from it, this is
a technical skill that Love offers (Nehamas & Woodruff, pg. 35) Agathon's
account of Love is very good. He backs up his claims with popular belief. But,
what was right to them, may not seem correct to us, and this is a problem that
arises with Agathon's speech.

In the times of Socrates and Plato, eros was a much different word then it's
translation: love. He have seen how love takes the shape of a god, and how it
has influenced the evolution of human kind. In the "Symposium", Socrates gives
the most sensible account of eros when he quotes Diotima , even though to this
day, it is unclear whether Diotima was a fabrication to fit Socrates' needs when
discussing love. The speech of Aristophanes was also worth noting, as he had
brought up the point of human nature, the only speaker to do so. As well,
Agathon had a very complete speech, he chose to describe the god Love in terms
of his moral character and his virtues. These three accounts were the best of
all that were offered. Socrates was the superior one to the other two, but
nonetheless, the speeches of Aristophanes and Agathon were complete. Together,
these three accounts form a very good picture of eros, one that shows every
aspect of what eros truly is.

Bibliography

Nehamas, A. & Woodruff, P. "Symposium", Hackett Publishing Company,
Indianapolis, Indiana, 1989